Chuck, I do a lot of e-filing. It’s free with my software and convenient. However, there are many returns that I do that are paper. I agree with your argument about IRS mining. Many clients, and I must say, a bunch of computer geeks don’t want to e-file. Usually the paper ones are very complex, some an inch thick, are mailed. A lot of older people like the old-fashioned way. I guess I’m not so rigid, I just e-file when I can and do paper otherwise.
Marcella K. Anderson CPA
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From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Warman
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:22 AM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: e-filing, was Re: [taxchat] Mailing tax returns
The IRS’s goal is to turn preparers into their collection arm That’s the whole purpose of the new “more likely than not” standards and Sec 6694 preparer penalties. The standards for tax preparers are higher than for the taxpayers themselves. I never file a return with anything in it that I know is wrong or false. But I do take some aggressive positions which possibly wouldn’t meet MLTN. I’m not anxious to find out, because if I lose, I get a minimum $1000 preparer penalty.
Given this new adversarial environment, I am not going to make it easier for the IRS to come after me or my clients. Paper-filed returns make it harder; it’s just that simple. I will continue to represent my clients, not the IRS.
Chuck
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold M. Socol
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:28 AM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: e-filing, was Re: [taxchat] Mailing tax returns
Chuck,
So what if IRS does what they do. I am sure you can stand behind every return you do. If the IRS does what they do then that's not your fault, but efiling gives your client a better and accurate product that does not result in CP2000 as I have had in the past because the paper returns were data entried by some clerks looking to see when 4 pm is coming so they can go home. You also get receipt and acceptance acknowledgement in 24 hours and much less.
Arnie
From: Chuck Warman
Sent: 09/23/2008 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: e-filing, was Re: [taxchat] Mailing tax returns
I've argued this one until I'm exhausted, not gonna do it anymore.
I have a college classmate who has stayed in touch over the years. When our
kids were young, we used to vacation together. He is a high-ranking career
IRS man. He has confirmed to me any number of times that whenever the IRS
launches a new fishing expedition, which happens frequently, they use only
efiled returns. The details are so much more accessible and sortable, you
see. I'm taking his word for it; he paper files his own return.
Chuck
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From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ann Von Hagel
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:23 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: e-filing, was Re: [taxchat] Mailing tax returns
That's what I tell my clients. Essentially, all returns are
electronically filed since the IRS does not process returns by hand. So
the question becomes, do you want to mail it in and have some temp who
knows nothing about taxes copying numbers into a data terminal, or do
you want me to send it directly from my computer to theirs knowing that
what they'll get is exactly what you see on my screen. I've explained
it that way to some folks who kind of had an epiphany. Sometimes I ask
them first how they think returns are processed. The more complex the
return, the better this argument is.
Ann Von Hagel, EA
Arlington, VA
Debbie Breedlove wrote:
>
> I don't see a difference. When you mail a return, an IRS employee
> enters everything from the return into their computer. If they are
> data mining, they have the data either way. When you efile the
> return, it just eliminates that step because the info from the return
> goes right into their computer. I prefer efiling because it
> eliminates the possibility of some temp employee making an error when
> doing the data entry.
>
>
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