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06 September 2008

[forum-pajak] Re: Reimburst

--- In forum-pajak@yahoogroups.com, "Gunawan Kurniawan" <privatax@...>
wrote:
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> Dear Rekan2,
> saya mau minta penjelasan rekan2 sekalian mengenai hal reimburst,
apakah atas reimburst yang kita ajukan ke pihak lain merupakan objek PPN?
>
> Tks
>
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>
Reimbursment yang sebenarnya adalah nilai penggantian yang diajukan
kepada pihak lain terkait atas suatu perjanjian tertentu.
Yang menjadi obyek atas PPN adalah penyerahan BKP atau JKP. Jadi harus
dilihat apakan reimbursment tersebut terdapat unsur penyerahan BKP
atau JKP. Misalnya PT A menyerahkan BKP ke PT B atas perintah PT C dan
PT A ,mengajukan reibursment kepada PT C atas penyerahan barang yang
diperintahkannya. Disini sebenarnya terjadi 2 penyerahan, pertama dari
PT A ke PT C dan dari PT C ke PT B, akan tetapi BKP tersebut langsung
dikirimkan dan diterima oleh PT B.
PPN yang terhutang adalah atas penyerahan BKP tersebut saja dari PT A
ke PT. C dengan HPP sebesar tagihan ke PT C.
Jika yang dimaksud dengan reimbursment ini adalah tagihan PT A ke PT C
tersebut maka reimbursment ini tidak terhutang PPN, karena yang
terhutang adalah Penyerahaan BKP, dan sudah harus dibuatkan Faktur
Pajak oleh PT A selambat-lambatnya 30 hari sejak pada akhir bulan
berikutnya setelah bulan penyerahan, atau saat pembayaran. Jadi tidak
lagi memperhatikan saat reimbursment dilakukan.
ada pendapat lain ??


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Re: [taxchat] Form conversion

I have shown my client what was created with the help of this forum. They are ecstatic. I greatly appreciate the free help I got here. I've always felt that this type of forum was to better all of us by all of us sharing with each other. It frustrates me from time to time when someone in a group offers some help that allows others to have partial training and when the request is made to help some more the response has been that for money the help will be given directly to the individual off list. I for one have offered to pay persons for their time when it was obvious that they went the extra mile to help. Not one person that I've made the offer to on this list or any other has done more then to say that some day they will be needing my help so no charge. Jo Jo and Michael I deeply appreciate what each of you offered up for me to get this project done. The time I spent before your help was getting ridiculous. With your help I was able to get back to other work I had put aside. To those that offered more help on other issues for a fee I hope that this forum has paid dividends in learning that you couldn't acquire at any cost.

On 8/28/08, Michael S. Mermelstein, CPA <mike@mh-cpa.com> wrote:

It was ABBYY Finereader v 9.0 Professional Edition.  They have a lesser version that we haven't had as much success with.  This version let's you outline areas, insert divider lines etc.  Converts to Word, Excel...Well worth the price.
 
Michael S. Mermelstein, CPA
Miami, FL

From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JoJo Zawawi
Sent: 08/28/2008 Thu 4:52 PM

To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [taxchat] Form conversion

 

Awesome !  What was the software ?
 
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robert Lukey
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:47 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [taxchat] Form conversion

I want to say thank you to Michael M as he offered to try using software he had to convert my file. I sent him a copy of the file and I now have a very usable Excel worksheet with minimal clean up as compared to the PITA I was going through.

On 8/28/08, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@earthlink.net> wrote:

What a PITA.  I hope it works out without too much trouble !
 
Cheers,
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robert Lukey
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:06 AM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [taxchat] Form conversion

I started doing that. With your suggestion of scanning and converting to an Excel file I wound up with most of the formatting going into Excel but I have been entering all the data into the various cells since no data came through. Some of the formatting was messed up also but not badly. I stayed at the office over an hour later then normal trying to get a clean scan that could be used but the best I got was most of the formatting but none of the typing. This AM I am going to try one more time to convert. Thanks for that suggestion as I had noted the icons at the bottom of Scansoft but I had never used them. That's a great tool for files that can be converted. Especially because of the possible time to be saved if the conversion works well.

On 8/27/08, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@earthlink.net> wrote:

Geez, with all that, it almost seems like it would be faster to just type it into Excel !  :O
 
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robert Lukey
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:46 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [taxchat] Form conversion

I already tried multiple times to Scan the file and convert it by using the Omni Pro software that came with my own version of Excel. It only gave me a rudimentary set up so I am currently working with that file to fill in all the missing info.

On 8/27/08, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@earthlink.net> wrote:

To clarify when I said "then you copy all of it" -- that's Control-A (to select all) and then Control-C (to copy all).
 
So you start by scanning in the text.  Now you have a doc that looks like this:
 
cash on hand
cash in bank
contracts in transit
total cash and contracts
etc....
 
Select it all and click on Tables, Create Table.
 
Then add your extra columns.
 
Then copy and paste that table into an Excel spreadsheet.
 
You can copy and paste any table anywhere you want in the Excel spreadsheet, including the next columns over to the right (i.e., the LIABILITIES column from your form, and then the INCOME STATEMENT from you form).  Just make each a table in Word and then copy and paste it into the Excel spreadsheet.
 
Cheers,
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of JoJo Zawawi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:25 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [taxchat] Form conversion

Does your scanner have the option of scanning directly to a Word document ?  If so, you might be able to pull it into either a columns format or a tables format ?
 
Actually, that gives me another idea.  Scan the text in as text, then suck it up into a Word doc, select it and put it into tables, add the missing columns.  Maybe that can then convert over into Excel.  Do you follow me ?  You just want the text from the main columns, linearly (in a word doc).  Then you select (highlight) all of it.  Then click on Tables, Create Table.  That will create a one-column table with each line item as its own row.  Then you right-click and add the missing columns.
 
Then you copy all of it (control-A) and then just paste it into a blank Excel worksheet.  I just successfully copied and pasted a Word table into a blank Excel worksheet, so it definitely works.  You get most of the work done easily that way, and then you just have to add in the tiny columns manually.
 
Cheers,
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robert Lukey
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:09 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [taxchat] Form conversion

If John doesn't have any ideas as to why I'm getting the message I am, would you mind please??????

On 8/27/08, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@earthlink.net> wrote:

I won't spend any time on this unless you ask again, in case John's suggestion works !
 
Cheers !,
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Ring
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:46 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [taxchat] Form conversion

Robert
 
Go to investintech.com they have a trial version that will do what you want.
 
John Ring EA

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--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Robert Lukey <rlukey@gmail.com> wrote:
 
From: Robert Lukey <rlukey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [taxchat] Form conversion
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 8:16 PM

It's a hard copy form that I have scanned in. After that it doesn't want to become an Excel worksheet that is usable.

On 8/27/08, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@earthlin k.net> wrote:
What do you mean, a form ?  Printed, on disk (what format) ?  If printed, what format is it in (columns, paragraphs, etc.) ?
 
Cheers,
JoJo
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From: taxchat@yahoogroups .com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of Robert Lukey
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:35 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups .com; Taxlist@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [taxchat] Form conversion

I have a form a client gave me and I was wondering if there is an easy way to convert it into an Excel spreadsheet?
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Re: [taxchat] bill amount

my 1120S starts at $450 + $50 per state; thats the base price.  addl forms such as depr, sched D, etc are extra, along with acctg to get to the point of doing the return.  as to number of s/holders, i charge $50 for each K1 issued.
lynne - wisconsin


Richard Ogg wrote:
We're just starting corporate returns so some pricing ideas are very helpful. However, there is a strong influence from one's geography. (Boston MA is more expensive than Huntsville AL I suspect.) Robert, where are you located? As others offer comparisons, please indicate where you are located.... Thanks!!

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Robert Lukey <rlukey@gmail.com> wrote:

1120S plus one state starts at $300. If there are depreciaiton forms, statements, or other extraneous things that are needed to complete a quality return the price goes up.
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Re: [taxchat] Re: Parents Home

unfortunately, i dont read ahead beyond the thread im in, & this all came up under a diff thread, but want to annotate that in this case, i think janet said it was less than a year from transfer to sale, so i doubt if son deducted mortgage int (if there even was any) & taxes.  i would hope it would have been on the fathers return.
lynne


Donna J. Perrone wrote:



I've been following this thread today and you know what, I tend to agree with Arnie.  I have read Mel's case and used it to deduct mortgage interest and taxes for my clients, but the bottom line is, there was a transfer of ownership.  Even though the daughter had POA, was the sale of the home reported in the parent's name and the daughter used her POA to sign, or was it in the daughters?  It sounds like the daughter's name.
 
I've had several cases here in CT when a parent transferred their property to their kids, they were very surprised to get a bill from the St of Ct for gift tax on the property.
 
I don't have a solution to offer at the moment, but I have never heard of nominee-ing a sale of a home. I'm not sure you can even do that!
 
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203-468-2038 fax
 
 
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Re: [taxchat] Re: Parents Home

im late as usual to jump on the wagon, but i think you're being a little over zealous on this one arnie.  even IRS, with all the documentation that janet has, can logically see there is no way that the taxpayer is trying to "avoid" taxes.  i would have no problem with signing my name as the preparer with that kind of proof.  and from what i read, it sounds like they didnt make much gain on the house anyhow, but i could be wrong.
lynne


Arnold M. Socol wrote:

Its all a Gamble, with your name on the tax return. You better be sure first.  What if hypothetical:  Father bought house 30 years ago for $40,000,and son sold recently for $240,000.  Economic gain = $200,000.  Wouldn't the IRS love to get the short term gain on $200,000?  Would you do the return showing no gain or loss and chance an ugly and depressing Audit change and most likely get sued?  I'd like to see much more concrete cites, more so than Mel's which appears to be about deductibility of mortgage interest, not gain on sale. This is not nickels and dimes like deductibility of diminimus b'day expense, this may be a very substantial tax or not. 
 
I would advise client, (and I had exactly the same situation only a few years ago and could find no favorable cite, but I found a Real Estate document that had the mother'' name on it which substantially reduced the tax that I felt I could rely on to at least avoid taxpayer and preparer penalties), that this will require substantial research, I believe I charged $500 for the research.  We filed the return and I got paid but client never came back, some don't get it, but I was not going to show no gain above my signature like the client wanted without being confident.
 
What if there is an audit and you get an agent that doesn't want to be "nice" and overlook the fact that the USA is in huge debt and the word is out from the White House to collect taxes?  Are you going to handle the audit gratis, or charge more on top of a nasty tax bill to your client and expect to get paid? 

Tell the client you need to research and you need to get paid up front because you might not have a favorable response for client who might not want to pay you later.
Arnie
 
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Bls: [forum-pajak] Belum pernah lapor SPT dianggap Pembetulan?

dear liman.....
mo nyoba bantu bantu...
sunset policy setahu saya tidak cuma buat yang kurang bayar saja...
klo memang anda tidak pernah memasukan SPT sebelumnya, berarti SPT yang akan anda masukan bukan SPT pembetulan. tapi tenang saja soalnya itu jg tms dalam sunset policy.
inti dari sunset policy adalah supaya Wajib Pajak menjadi lebih patuh dan sadar akan perpajakan. yang tadinya mungkin pernah menyembunyikan penghasilan nya, trus takut kalau diperiksa, dengan adanya sunset policy dia bisa membetulkan tanpa takut diperiksa. jadi ya sebaiknya anda masukan saja SPT tahun 2005 - 2007..
ttg masalah akan diperiksa atau tidak, saya yakin selama yang anda laporkan itu benar adanya dan KPP tidak memiliki data yang menyatakan bahwa anda berbohong, anda tidak akan diperiksa....


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Terkirim: Jumat, 5 September, 2008 10:36:13
Topik: [forum-pajak] Belum pernah lapor SPT dianggap Pembetulan?


Mohon penjelasannya,

Th. 2008 ini saya mendaftarkan diri untuk mendapatkan NPWP.. Ternyata NPWP sy telah terdaftar sejak Th. 2005. Sejak Th. 2005 s/d sekarang saya hanya bekerja sebagai pegawai biasa tanpa penghasilan lain.
Sepengetahuan saya Sunset Policy hanya berlaku untuk kurang bayar.. Saya kan tidak kurang bayar apa-apa karena semua sudah dibayar oleh kantor tempat saya bekerja.Saya hanya melaporkan SPT Th. 2005, 2006, 2007 ke KPP

1. apakah benar semua SPT yg saya laporkan tsb berstatus hanya berstatus pembetulan?
2. apakah saya punya resiko kena periksa nantinya dgn status SPT saya yg Pembetulan? Setahu saya yg tidak diperiksa hanya untuk yg melakukan kurang bayar(Sunset Policy)
3. apakah saya masih perlu melaporkan SPT Th. 2005, 2006, 2007 ??

Tolong dong Pak dijelaskan. Terima kasih ya....

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Bls: [forum-pajak] Pembetulan SPT 1721 Thn 07

dear ocean.....(ada sodaraan sama danny ocean ngga??:)
klo pembetulan, baik 1721 atau pun SPT Tahunan yg lain, kalo ternyata pembetulannya menyebabkan kurang bayar menjadi lebih besar, contoh pada kasus anda, maka yang ditulis pada kolom PPh yang telah disetor (baik pasal 25 atau pasal 21) adalah pembayaran masa anda (dalam kasus anda berarti 500.000) nah dikolom kurang bayar adalah jumlah kurang bayarnya (dalam kasus anda 100.000 + jumlah kurang bayar sisanya).
nanti SSP yang dilampirkan adalah fotokopi SSP 100.000 yang sudah anda setorkan sebelumnya plus SSP atas kurang bayar sisanya...

untuk SPT pembetulan, berhubung tidak ada kolom yang menyatakan itu adalah pembetulan, maka biasanya dibagian atas SPT ditulis pembetulan untuk membedakan dengan SPT awalnya. sedangkan SPT awalnya saya rasa tidak perlu dilampirkan...

smoga bisa memberi pencerahan...

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Topik: [forum-pajak] Pembetulan SPT 1721 Thn 07


Dear rekan pajak,
Mohon pencerahan.
SPT 1721 2007 telah dilapor 31 Mar 08, data sbb:
pph 21 hrs disetor Rp.600.000
pph 21 yg telah disetor (byr bulanan) Rp.500.000
kurang byr Rp.100.000.
Rp.100.000 telah dibyr dan dilapor tepat waktu.
Terdpt salah itung dan disarankan oleh AP utk pembetulan.( krn terdpt kurang bayar yang lebih besar, hrs setor lagi).

1. Pd pembetulan SPT 1721 2007, pada kolom pph 21 yg telah disetor, angka apa yg hrs dicantumkan?
600 (500+100) atau 500 (sama spt SPT sblm pembetulan) ?

2. Pembetulan SPT 1721 2007 perlukah mencantumkan kata 'Pembetulan' ?
Kalo iya, di bagian mana ya?

3. Saat lapor pembetulan, perlukan melampirkan copy SPT terdahulu?

Terima kasih.

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Re: [taxchat] bill amount

My best advise is to use your Hourly Rate and estimate the amount of time - that comes with experience. Extra time and charges for bookkeeping and accounting work needs to factored.
 
Since we never know exactly how much the job is I advice the client upfront an estimated fee based upon time and that the fee could be higher or lower depending on how good the bookkeeping records are, the interview and consulting time, etc. 
 
Create an Engagement Letter that has all these details included - estimated range, hourly rate, etc.
 
 
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Subject: Re: [taxchat] bill amount

We're just starting corporate returns so some pricing ideas are very helpful. However, there is a strong influence from one's geography. (Boston MA is more expensive than Huntsville AL I suspect.) Robert, where are you located? As others offer comparisons, please indicate where you are located.... Thanks!!

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Robert Lukey <rlukey@gmail.com> wrote:

1120S plus one state starts at $300. If there are depreciaiton forms, statements, or other extraneous things that are needed to complete a quality return the price goes up.

2008/9/5 Cris Kelly <ckelship@yahoo.com>

How much would you charge for a S Corp return / 2 states – CA & OH / 2 Shareholders.  Let me know if you would need additional info, list of forms, etc.

 

I am trying to figure out if my bill is too high.  We had to do extra work because the info we received didn't add up correctly.

 

Thanks,

Cris

 

 


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