from Hamlet
Ann Von Hagel, EA
Arlington, VA
JoJo Zawawi wrote:
>
> The ex-client says that he fired the partner. He had been complaining
> about
> him for years. (What did Shakespeare say -- something about the noisy
> accuser being the guilty one ? I wish I could remember that quote.)
>
> Cheers,
> JoJo
> ............................................................................
> ............................................................................
> ......
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>]On
> Behalf
> Of Clarisse
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:54 PM
> To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [taxchat] Re: Bad Client Question
>
> The sadest part of this whole story is that he will shake every bush
> he comes across until he finds someone to do what he wants. Thank
> God you found out about his unethical issues early in your
> relationship and not a few years later! I bet the partner uncovered
> other shifty things that he has done with the business too. You never
> know why they are parting ways.
>
> --- In taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "JoJo Zawawi" <kuchekesha@...> wrote:
> >
> > No, not the partner -- my ex-client !!! What an idiot !!!
> >
> > The atty from PrePaid Legal called me back and we had a good laugh
> over it.
> > He basically advised that I go with the flow ... my ex-client's
> atty will
> > probably figure out at the deposition that I am a less than friendly
> > witness, and not call me for trial.
> >
> > The ex-client honestly does not believe that he has done anything
> wrong,
> > which is probably why he doesn't figure I might mind helping him
> out. When
> > I told him that paying relative "A" and issuing the W-2 to
> relative "B" in
> > order for relative "A" to avoid paying income taxes was illegal, he
> said he
> > saw nothing wrong with it and fully intended to continue doing so.
> (It was
> > at this point that I decided to get rid of him after I finished the
> > bookkeeping project, and I also refused to prepare his corporate
> taxes.) As
> > it turned out, he stiffed me for a few hundred $ when I did his
> personal T/R
> > and that precipitated ending our business relationship even before
> the
> > bookkeeping project was done.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > JoJo
> > ....................................................................
> ........
> > ....................................................................
> ........
> > ......
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>]On
> Behalf
> > Of Clarisse
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:34 PM
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [taxchat] Re: Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> > Wow JoJo,
> >
> > Who sent the subponea - the partner? I would think that the ex-
> client
> > would be smart enough to stay away from you! Oh, silly me, stupid is
> > as stupid does.
> >
> > Well, get your notes and files in order and watch the show!
> >
> > Good luck with everything, I am sure that you do not have anything
> to
> > worry about that is why we hire lawyers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Kate M Coyne" <KateMc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pretty unbelievable!! Maybe he won't want anything to do with you
> > in court if he knows you are not going to be favorable to him.
> > >
> > > Kate
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: JoJo Zawawi
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:47 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Well check this out. I responded to this guy's e-mail, telling
> > him I wasn't taking on new clients etc. So he called me on the
> phone
> > yesterday, telling me that what he wanted was for me to write up
> some
> > sort of affidavit/declaration on his behalf -- he had fired his
> > partner, and his partner is suing him. He wanted me to testify that
> > the books were messed up when I took them over (they were) and that
> > it was his partner's fault. Now, I cannot testify that it was his
> > partner's fault, because I never observed his partner (or anybody
> > else) doing the books. I only have my ex-client's word that it was
> > his partner's fault. So I told him this, and declined.
> > >
> > > What happens today ? Somebody showed up at my door with a
> > subpoena ! (I wasn't home.) The process server then left me a
> > voicemail telling me that he has a subpoena, and to please call him.
> > >
> > > I would just love to get up on that stand and tell them how my
> ex-
> > client was the unethical one, paying the wrong person in order to
> > unlawfully avoid income taxes, and so on....
> > >
> > > Actually, I don't want to have anything to do with them. I've
> > just called an attorney (I finally get to use PrePaid Legal !) to
> get
> > his advice first.
> > >
> > > Can you believe this **** ?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > JoJo
> >
> > ..................................................................
> > ....................................................................
> ..
> > ......................
> > > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo
> <http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo> *
> > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
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> > > Blog:
> http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>]On
> > Behalf Of JoJo Zawawi
> > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:46 PM
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > > That sounds perfect. I wanted the least troublesome route. I'm
> > not interested in having further friction or whatever.
> > >
> > > As a note to Arnie, I DO agree that people can (and do) change
> > for the better. I just don't think that this guy did, and so I feel
> > he is dangerous at best.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > JoJo
> >
> > ..................................................................
> > ....................................................................
> ..
> > ......................
> > > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo
> <http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo> *
> > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
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> > > Blog:
> http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> <http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>]On
> > Behalf Of Jenkins LawFirm
> > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:00 PM
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Then just respond briefly, a polite 'thanks but no thanks', I
> > would only say, I'm not able to take on any work from you due to my
> > current workload.
> > >
> > > KC Jenkins
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:29 PM, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I definitely won't have him back again -- I'm not talking
> about
> > just not reporting some income or something. A couple of examples:
> > >
> > > 1. He ruined something in a truck (something to do with the
> > engine, and which would cost a LOT to fix) and figured out a way to
> > mickey-mouse it so it would look and act perfect temporarily, and
> > then traded it in for a new car, never mentioning the problem.
> > >
> > > 2. He was employing one of his relatives, but the paycheck
> was
> > going to another one of his relatives who does not work for him (who
> > had much lower income), to aviod relative # 1 having any tax
> > liability.
> > >
> > > There was more. I really do not trust this guy. He is shady,
> > shifty and shiftless. Or something like that. I consider him
> > dangerous, especially these days with extra IRS scrutiny and fines
> > and so on !
> > >
> > > I think I'll go with the "My practice has changed and I'm not
> > taking on clients right now" approach.
> > >
> > > Thanks, all !
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > JoJo
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ................................................................
> > ....................................................................
> ..
> > ........................
> > > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo
> <http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo> *
> > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> <http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821>
> > > Blog:
> > http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> <http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > On Behalf Of Chuck Warman
> > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:56 AM
> > >
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with Kate...."illegal" is the operative word here. In
> > fact, I'd go a little farther, telling him that you're glad that you
> > can be on friendly terms now, but that it would probably not be in
> > the best interest of either of you to take on his work again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Suppose you hire a babysitter, and her boyfriend comes over
> and
> > smacks your kid around. You can forgive her, and ultimately you can
> > even have a friendly relationship. But are you going to let her
> > babysit your kid again?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck Warman, CPA
> > > Wichita Falls, TX
> > > -------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > On Behalf Of Kate M Coyne
> > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:45 AM
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Arnie,
> > >
> > > I would normally be with you on this except JoJo's comment "I
> > started to find out that he was doing this and that illegal stuff".
> > Get away from this guy. Remember what your Mother said? If you
> hang
> > around with the wrong crowd people will think you are doing the same
> > things they do. I would not put my reputation on the line, it's
> > worth more than the income.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kate
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: Arnold M. Socol
> > >
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:56 AM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know that most of you will disagree, but hear is my
> response
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I personally would be more open about it. Maybe the X-Rude
> > client has seen the light and now respects the quality of work you
> > have provided. I would give these people the opportunity under "my"
> > rules and see what happens. Quote him a retainer fee in advance for
> > the service politely, including the unpaid balance. If questioned
> > about the advance, the answer is that is my policy whenever there
> has
> > been any problem in the past. If he accepts, you have only gained.
> > If he declines, then no loss. Your loss is not being more open to
> > the opportunity of new business, especially during what may be an
> > extended down turn in the economy. Just check today's stock
> market -
> > its "limit down" circuit breakers have been triggered. As a
> > financial advisor I have thoughts on that topic as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Arnie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: Kate M Coyne
> > >
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Sent: 10/24/2008 9:38 AM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would respond (my husband wouldn't even respond) and
> tell
> > him something to the effect that I am not accepting any additional
> > clients and I am unable to take on any additional work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > Kate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: JoJo Zawawi
> > >
> > > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:taxchat%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:10 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > About 1-1/2 years ago, I had a bookkeeping / tax client
> > that was a total pain in the behind, and as we got to know each
> other
> > better, I started to find out that he was doing this and that
> illegal
> > stuff, and I wanted no part of it. It worked out at that time that
> I
> > did not have to fire him, because he fired me after I prepared his
> > tax return and charged him tax prep rates, not bookkeeping rates.
> He
> > stiffed me about $ 200 on the bill (paid bookkeeping rates for the
> > time spent) and was very, very rude, and even threatened me
> that "his
> > new bookkeeper will probably find lots of mistakes and he will bill
> > me for it all", etc. Needless to say, I never heard back from him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Today he sent me an e-mail, apologizing and asking me
> for
> > advice regarding his business partner. (What advice, I don't know.
> > And hello, I'm not a lawyer !)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course, I want no part of him.
> > >
> > >
> > > The question: Do I respond politely, telling him I am
> > busy ? Or do I not even respond ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > JoJo
> >
> > ..........................................................
> > ....................................................................
> ..
> > ..............................
> > > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo
> <http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo> *
> > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> <http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821>
> > > Blog:
> > http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> <http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/>
> > >
> >
> >
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