him for years. (What did Shakespeare say -- something about the noisy
accuser being the guilty one ? I wish I could remember that quote.)
Cheers,
JoJo
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-----Original Message-----
From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Clarisse
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:54 PM
To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [taxchat] Re: Bad Client Question
The sadest part of this whole story is that he will shake every bush
he comes across until he finds someone to do what he wants. Thank
God you found out about his unethical issues early in your
relationship and not a few years later! I bet the partner uncovered
other shifty things that he has done with the business too. You never
know why they are parting ways.
--- In taxchat@yahoogroups.com, "JoJo Zawawi" <kuchekesha@...> wrote:
>
> No, not the partner -- my ex-client !!! What an idiot !!!
>
> The atty from PrePaid Legal called me back and we had a good laugh
over it.
> He basically advised that I go with the flow ... my ex-client's
atty will
> probably figure out at the deposition that I am a less than friendly
> witness, and not call me for trial.
>
> The ex-client honestly does not believe that he has done anything
wrong,
> which is probably why he doesn't figure I might mind helping him
out. When
> I told him that paying relative "A" and issuing the W-2 to
relative "B" in
> order for relative "A" to avoid paying income taxes was illegal, he
said he
> saw nothing wrong with it and fully intended to continue doing so.
(It was
> at this point that I decided to get rid of him after I finished the
> bookkeeping project, and I also refused to prepare his corporate
taxes.) As
> it turned out, he stiffed me for a few hundred $ when I did his
personal T/R
> and that precipitated ending our business relationship even before
the
> bookkeeping project was done.
>
> Cheers,
> JoJo
> ....................................................................
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> ....................................................................
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> ......
> Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo *
> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> Blog: http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Clarisse
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [taxchat] Re: Bad Client Question
>
>
> Wow JoJo,
>
> Who sent the subponea - the partner? I would think that the ex-
client
> would be smart enough to stay away from you! Oh, silly me, stupid is
> as stupid does.
>
> Well, get your notes and files in order and watch the show!
>
> Good luck with everything, I am sure that you do not have anything
to
> worry about that is why we hire lawyers.
>
>
>
>
> --- In taxchat@yahoogroups.com, "Kate M Coyne" <KateMc@> wrote:
> >
> > Pretty unbelievable!! Maybe he won't want anything to do with you
> in court if he knows you are not going to be favorable to him.
> >
> > Kate
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: JoJo Zawawi
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> > Well check this out. I responded to this guy's e-mail, telling
> him I wasn't taking on new clients etc. So he called me on the
phone
> yesterday, telling me that what he wanted was for me to write up
some
> sort of affidavit/declaration on his behalf -- he had fired his
> partner, and his partner is suing him. He wanted me to testify that
> the books were messed up when I took them over (they were) and that
> it was his partner's fault. Now, I cannot testify that it was his
> partner's fault, because I never observed his partner (or anybody
> else) doing the books. I only have my ex-client's word that it was
> his partner's fault. So I told him this, and declined.
> >
> > What happens today ? Somebody showed up at my door with a
> subpoena ! (I wasn't home.) The process server then left me a
> voicemail telling me that he has a subpoena, and to please call him.
> >
> > I would just love to get up on that stand and tell them how my
ex-
> client was the unethical one, paying the wrong person in order to
> unlawfully avoid income taxes, and so on....
> >
> > Actually, I don't want to have anything to do with them. I've
> just called an attorney (I finally get to use PrePaid Legal !) to
get
> his advice first.
> >
> > Can you believe this **** ?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > JoJo
>
> ..................................................................
> ....................................................................
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> ......................
> > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo *
> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> > Blog:
http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of JoJo Zawawi
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:46 PM
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> > That sounds perfect. I wanted the least troublesome route. I'm
> not interested in having further friction or whatever.
> >
> > As a note to Arnie, I DO agree that people can (and do) change
> for the better. I just don't think that this guy did, and so I feel
> he is dangerous at best.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > JoJo
>
> ..................................................................
> ....................................................................
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> ......................
> > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo *
> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> > Blog:
http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Jenkins LawFirm
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:00 PM
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> > Then just respond briefly, a polite 'thanks but no thanks', I
> would only say, I'm not able to take on any work from you due to my
> current workload.
> >
> > KC Jenkins
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:29 PM, JoJo Zawawi <kuchekesha@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I definitely won't have him back again -- I'm not talking
about
> just not reporting some income or something. A couple of examples:
> >
> > 1. He ruined something in a truck (something to do with the
> engine, and which would cost a LOT to fix) and figured out a way to
> mickey-mouse it so it would look and act perfect temporarily, and
> then traded it in for a new car, never mentioning the problem.
> >
> > 2. He was employing one of his relatives, but the paycheck
was
> going to another one of his relatives who does not work for him (who
> had much lower income), to aviod relative # 1 having any tax
> liability.
> >
> > There was more. I really do not trust this guy. He is shady,
> shifty and shiftless. Or something like that. I consider him
> dangerous, especially these days with extra IRS scrutiny and fines
> and so on !
> >
> > I think I'll go with the "My practice has changed and I'm not
> taking on clients right now" approach.
> >
> > Thanks, all !
> >
> > Cheers,
> > JoJo
> >
> >
>
> ................................................................
> ....................................................................
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> ........................
> > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo *
> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> > Blog:
> http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Chuck Warman
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:56 AM
> >
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> > I agree with Kate...."illegal" is the operative word here. In
> fact, I'd go a little farther, telling him that you're glad that you
> can be on friendly terms now, but that it would probably not be in
> the best interest of either of you to take on his work again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Suppose you hire a babysitter, and her boyfriend comes over
and
> smacks your kid around. You can forgive her, and ultimately you can
> even have a friendly relationship. But are you going to let her
> babysit your kid again?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Warman, CPA
> > Wichita Falls, TX
> > -------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: taxchat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:taxchat@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Kate M Coyne
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:45 AM
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> >
> > Arnie,
> >
> > I would normally be with you on this except JoJo's comment "I
> started to find out that he was doing this and that illegal stuff".
> Get away from this guy. Remember what your Mother said? If you
hang
> around with the wrong crowd people will think you are doing the same
> things they do. I would not put my reputation on the line, it's
> worth more than the income.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Arnold M. Socol
> >
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:56 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> >
> > I know that most of you will disagree, but hear is my
response
> >
> >
> >
> > I personally would be more open about it. Maybe the X-Rude
> client has seen the light and now respects the quality of work you
> have provided. I would give these people the opportunity under "my"
> rules and see what happens. Quote him a retainer fee in advance for
> the service politely, including the unpaid balance. If questioned
> about the advance, the answer is that is my policy whenever there
has
> been any problem in the past. If he accepts, you have only gained.
> If he declines, then no loss. Your loss is not being more open to
> the opportunity of new business, especially during what may be an
> extended down turn in the economy. Just check today's stock
market -
> its "limit down" circuit breakers have been triggered. As a
> financial advisor I have thoughts on that topic as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Arnie
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Kate M Coyne
> >
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: 10/24/2008 9:38 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> >
> > I would respond (my husband wouldn't even respond) and
tell
> him something to the effect that I am not accepting any additional
> clients and I am unable to take on any additional work.
> >
> >
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: JoJo Zawawi
> >
> > To: taxchat@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:10 PM
> >
> > Subject: [taxchat] Bad Client Question
> >
> >
> >
> > About 1-1/2 years ago, I had a bookkeeping / tax client
> that was a total pain in the behind, and as we got to know each
other
> better, I started to find out that he was doing this and that
illegal
> stuff, and I wanted no part of it. It worked out at that time that
I
> did not have to fire him, because he fired me after I prepared his
> tax return and charged him tax prep rates, not bookkeeping rates.
He
> stiffed me about $ 200 on the bill (paid bookkeeping rates for the
> time spent) and was very, very rude, and even threatened me
that "his
> new bookkeeper will probably find lots of mistakes and he will bill
> me for it all", etc. Needless to say, I never heard back from him.
> >
> >
> >
> > Today he sent me an e-mail, apologizing and asking me
for
> advice regarding his business partner. (What advice, I don't know.
> And hello, I'm not a lawyer !)
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course, I want no part of him.
> >
> >
> > The question: Do I respond politely, telling him I am
> busy ? Or do I not even respond ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > JoJo
>
> ..........................................................
> ....................................................................
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> ..............................
> > Music: http://www.myspace.com/jojozjojo *
> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/JoJo-Zawawi/16883556821
> > Blog:
> http://www.mysteriousperson.com/MYSTERIOUSPERSON/thezblog/
> >
>
>
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